tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7637676942336714408.post356882993433061441..comments2023-03-25T04:39:22.420-07:00Comments on The Goliath: From my Bleeding Heart: The Census and DiscriminationSlingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16861000309834774933noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7637676942336714408.post-43246783120506679462010-08-03T14:39:43.488-07:002010-08-03T14:39:43.488-07:00What's wrong with "it takes a village&quo...<i>What's wrong with "it takes a village"?</i> My suspicion is that what he's actually worried about is the liberal elite indoctrinating children. To which I say, no one is trying to force your kids to go to daycare, and no one is suggesting eliminating private daycare. <br /><br /><i>When a liberal suggests that making a government inquisition voluntary is the first step to removing the vote for women, well, they are just rational pragmatists.</i> As Marissa said, Slinger specifically did NOT say that.<br /><br />As far as I know people are upset about the census being cut because it has actual, real negative ramifications for organizations and causes that need the data collected by the census. Cutting the census makes its results less reliable. The good that can be done with reliable statistics outweighs the bad of a minuscule fraction of the population feeling offended by the questions. <br /><br /><i>And these discussions always takes place on a sort of philosophical level where the realities of the philosophy can be conveniently ignored.</i> "realities of the philosophy"... isn't that an oxymoron? ;)<br /><br /><i>Nobody likes to admit the reality that maternity leave or paternity leave has real consequences. On patients, on clients, on employers, on employees.</i> Actually, I don't believe anyone is denying that. <br />What we're saying is that a woman being paid the same as her male co-workers for doing the same job, and not being passed over for promotion because her boss assumes she's going to get pregnant at some point are more important than that boss saving some money.<br />What we're saying is that human dignity is more important than profit. <br /><br /><i>I get to pay my taxes, like everyone, but there's no maternity or paternity leave for the self-employed</i> That's something that can hopefully be changed. Don't quote me on this, but I believe France does something like that. <br /><br /><i>Or is it ok to discriminate between those who operate businesses and those who are just employed by them?</i> So you would have everyone suffer just because you did? You're a real swell guy, Harvie. <br /><br /><i>I also find it hilarious how unashamed Harvie is of whining "what about MEEEEEEE!?" as his first reaction</i> Ditto that.Tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12821449755974689184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7637676942336714408.post-75960658203259125442010-08-03T10:20:33.219-07:002010-08-03T10:20:33.219-07:00I also find it hilarious how unashamed Harvie is o...I also find it hilarious how unashamed Harvie is of whining "what about MEEEEEEE!?" as his first reaction.Marissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00598310548059926496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7637676942336714408.post-59747645947064835632010-08-03T09:30:49.823-07:002010-08-03T09:30:49.823-07:00What's wrong with "it takes a village&quo...What's wrong with "it takes a village"? The nuclear family model where the mother is expected to raise children by herself, and is hence isolated at home without adult companionship all day, leads to higher incidences of post-partum depression, among other problems. <br /><br />Slinger never suggested that Harper wants to take away women's right to vote. In fact, he specifically said that it's <i>not</i> the kind of sexism where someone says that women shouldn't be able to vote. <br /><br />So, because you're not in a position to benefit from a program, <i>no one</i> should get to benefit from it? I'm pretty sure that "employer" is not an analogous ground of discrimination under s.15. It's not a question of numbers, it's a question of <i>who really needs</i> the benefit.Marissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00598310548059926496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7637676942336714408.post-12167914760928083082010-08-03T07:44:50.553-07:002010-08-03T07:44:50.553-07:00I always find these discussions sort of interestin...I always find these discussions sort of interesting.<br /><br />Because when a conservative suggests that National Daycare is a liberal effort to raise our children a la "It Takes a Village", we're called alarmist extremists.<br /><br />When a liberal suggests that making a government inquisition voluntary is the first step to removing the vote for women, well, they are just rational pragmatists.<br /><br />And these discussions always takes place on a sort of philosophical level where the realities of the philosophy can be conveniently ignored.<br /><br />Like how having children has negative consequences on business and career aspirations.<br /><br />Nobody likes to admit the reality that maternity leave or paternity leave has real consequences. On patients, on clients, on employers, on employees.<br /><br />What about the self-employed (like me)?<br /><br />I get to pay my taxes, like everyone, but there's no maternity or paternity leave for the self-employed.<br /><br />Oh, sure, you can pay into employment insurance, but for the self-employed, that's just an illusion.<br /><br />When my children were born - who was going to pay ME to stay home and tend to my children? And beyond that - as I did that - who is going to pay my staff when I'm not in the office billing to generate income to pay wages to employees?<br /><br />Or is it ok to discriminate between those who operate businesses and those who are just employed by them?<br /><br />Is it just a question of numbers?<br /><br />As long as we help MOST Canadians, the fact that equal benefit of the law isn't possible for ALL Canadians makes it ok?<br /><br />So. I would LOVE to know how you would take these statitics of who is doing what with their children and turn it into a situation where I have the same rights as a Federal government employee.Robert G. Harvie, Q.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10414822301931567654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7637676942336714408.post-23789933474268638352010-07-31T07:10:09.361-07:002010-07-31T07:10:09.361-07:00I never would have thought that our government cou...I never would have thought that our government could be as backwards and socially regressive as the Conservatives are, and that there would not be more of a public outcry about it. Canadians' political apathy, and the incompetence of Ignatieff's Liberals are letting Harper get away with murder.Tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12821449755974689184noreply@blogger.com